We know Zodiac was 6 feet tall, weighed about 230 and was balding from descriptions and physical evidence. According to the SFPD, Graysmith's claims are false and no DNA tests ever produced any results which matched Allen or any other suspect. They could have deleted that whole scene and cut to Graysmith visiting Darlene's sister in prison. A good example would be the calls to KGO-TV which could not be traced unless they had 15 minutes. Graysmith claims that he "worked with Sherwood Morrill" when, in fact, Graysmith claimed that he had consulted with Morrill after his retirement from the California Department of Justice. I might publish this someday, but I have another book in progress. # 9 - Minneapolis, Minn.: I was impressed by the weight given to handwriting analysis. If the list did exist, the evidence indicates that this list was produced years after Darlene's murder. Ron and Allen were surprised to learn that Allen was a suspect, they explained that they had never suspected him, and neither believed that he could be the Zodiac. The last known Zodiac crime occurred in 1969, and the last authenticated letter was sent in 1974. FACT CHECK: Graysmith is entitled to his opinions. In his Post answer, Graysmith wrote, "Still even if the DNA rules out Allen, even though he knew the victims and was near or at the crime scenes, it still not rule him out." Investigators believed that this man was the same man seen by the boy, and his father, at the lake, indicating that they did not describe the man as bald. Fouke never identified Allen. Darlene's sisters Pam and Linda first mentioned the party which allegedly took place in Darlene's home in May 1969, the man in the suit, and the rest of this dubious tale when interviewed by police in 1977. It is an important clue, but also the great mystery of the Zodiac case. I located witnesses at Berryessa who identified Allen as being at the lake that day--the son of the now deceased dentist and one of the college women. Graysmith claimed that "the book was not widely available then so that was not why they became copycats." I have none of the killers skills--chemistry, sewing, cryptography, criminology, bombmaking, electronics, but, and I just thought of this the other day, I think Zodiac may have been a cartoonist. Back then police departments were not sharing info. I mean, he's not obese." Graysmith's book was not only available in New York at the time of the New York copycat but the evidence proved that the copycat killer had consulted Graysmith's book during his crime spree. He passed on to his son a love of sailing. FACT CHECK: None of the many witnesses who reportedly saw the Zodiac had ever described the suspect as "balding." There is no evidence to indicate Allen and Marshall knew each other. Perhaps police should enlist an art critic to find similarities in the art styles and that of the suspect. Surviving victim Michael Mageau described the suspect at the Blue Rock Springs Park shooting as a "WMA, short, possible 5'8', was real heavy set, beefy build... not blubbery fat, but real beefy, possibly 195 to 200 [lbs] or maybe even larger... short curly hair, light brown almost blond... with a large face." When confonted, Graysmith claimed that he had received this false information from an unnamed police source, although Graysmith's history of inventing false evidence to implicate Allen strongly indicated that the police source never existed and that Graysmith himself was responsible for the false story of Allen's speeding ticket. Allen included a scrap of blood-soaked clothing taken from a Zodiac victim. They were mixed and the result was tested to obtain the partial fingerprint. Please support the movie Zodiac. The only evidence which could be cited to support such claims would be Michael Mageau's highly questionable identification of Allen as the Zodiac shooter (an identification which was not endorsed by the Vallejo police department), and, Don Cheney's claim that he had once accompanied Allen to the restaurant where a Zodiac victim worked as a waitress. The evidence proves that none of the other witnesses had ever identified Allen (and Graysmith has never provived any evidence to support his claims that the boy witness or one of the girl witnesses at Berryessa had ever identified Allen). # 17 - Los Angeles, Calif.: The film, and the people portrayed, seem very aware of the role media can play in generating "copy cat" killers. Fouke never identified Allen. Graysmith knows that the calls to the TV station were not made by the Zodiac but had been placed by a patient in a mental hospital. Look at the skeleton death threat card to Avery. "I thought he was so young to be bald," he said. # 15 - Phoenix, Ariz.: Any parts of the movie (or book) that ended up on the cutting room floor you would've liked to make it in? (pg. Allen's father Ethan died in 1971, shortly before Allen became a suspect. Despite Graysmith's repeated claims to the contrary, no credible evidence exists that Allen knew ANY of the Zodiac victims or that he was ever near or at any of the Zodiac crime scenes. They kept me in the loop at every stage of their quest over 3 years. # 16 - Reston, Va.: I recall that the movie says the fingerprints and DNA found at one or more crime scenes did not match that of Leigh Allen. In his book ZODIAC, Graysmith claimed the suspected Zodiac letter of 1978 was authentic, and he presented an elaborate, though seriously flawed, theory to support this claim. Did he talk to you much about him playing you in the movie? If Graysmith has identified another man as that Lee, then he has debunked his own theory and proved that Allen was not the Lee who was friends with Zodiac victim Darlene Ferrin. Robert Graysmith: Yes, there are palm prints and the partials on Stine's cab that don't match anybody. FACT CHECK: Graysmith claims that he waited until 1986 to publish his book out of concern for generating a copycat killer. Graysmith claims that experts endorsed his solution and the film ZODIAC depicts a television interview of Graysmith regarding his solution. FACT CHECK: Graysmith is once again distorting the facts and misleading the public. Allen Leigh Arthur is the Zodiac. Downey did a fantastic job. Who doesn't love Jake Gyllenhaal. Robert Graysmith: That is a terrific question and the first most people ask about the case. In 1969 we did not have DNA, but we did have ABO-PGM which was a saliva test that could tell us the race, sex and bloodtype of the mailer, including whether he was secretor and so on. I just never wanted to do another Zodiac book, but this story is really about three good guys who take on an obstacle. The facts demonstrate that Sherwood Morrill never endorsed Graysmith's opinions and theories about the Zodiac letters and writing and that he instead held opinions which directly contradicted Graysmith's. The methods described by Graysmith do not indicate that Allen wrote the Zodiac letters. At the time that Toschi and Armstrong made these statements, both men were aware of virtually all of the evidence said to implicate Allen in the Zodiac crimes. Don Fouke, the SFPD officer who reportedly saw the Zodiac near the Stine scene, had repeatedly stated that Arthur Leigh Allen was not the man he saw that night, and, further, Allen did not match the description of Stine's killer. The evidence proves that none of the other witnesses had ever identified Allen (and Graysmith has never provived any evidence to support his claims that the boy witness or one of the girl witnesses at Berryessa had ever identified Allen). Zodiac needed a T-square, lighttable, triangle and other drafting tools to draw that. The Zodiac letters, inside a cardboard box, were driven to Sacramento California by SFPD Homicide Inspector Jim Deasy in 1978 where they lay in Fred Shirasago's office for years and endured the sweltering heat of Sacramento summers. In the updated edition of ZODIAC UNMASKED, Graysmith wrote that the gloves were important evidence belonging to the killer. According to Mageau, the shooter approached the car carrying a bright light and Mageau was then shot in the jaw and other areas of his body. We are great problem solvers and go to the heart of the matter. Robert Graysmith: God bless you. Did you have any of those concerns regarding the production and influence of this film? Don Cheney had lived with Allen’s brother Ron during his college years and became friends with Arthur Leigh Allen via that relationship. As far a slander the late Leigh Allen was a child molester and I don't know how much lower you can fall than that. I have published 7 true crime books, 3 have been movies. Is it still an important tool? Robert Graysmith: In my previous answer I laid out the chronology of the path of the tested letters which were in private hands and outside the chain of police custody. Arthur Leigh Allen was the top suspect and although he was scrutinized by police for years, no evidence linking him to the Zodiac crimes was ever found. Robert Graysmith: I spent three years editing Zodiac, after 13 drafts of 1200 pages to 317, to be certain we were on safe legal grounds. In his book ZODIAC, Graysmith claimed the suspected Zodiac letter of 1978 was authentic, and he presented an elaborate, though seriously flawed, theory to support this claim. They have the bug. # 5 - Arlington, Va.: What about the man who wrote the movie posters and who had almost identical handwriting to Zodiac (except for his K's)? In ZODIAC, Graysmith put forth the theory that Allen was the Zodiac, and, therefore, the author of the Zodiac's many handwritten messages. Graysmith claimed that, in February 1997, the SFPD had contacted him regarding the results of DNA testing on the envelope which had contained the suspected Zodiac forgery of April 1978. After the release of the film ZODIAC, Robert Graysmith participated in a Questions and Answers forum on the website for the newspaper The Washington Post. Robert Graysmith: No glasses and he did not smoke. Police were never able to identify this man and Graysmith repeatedly implied that Arthur Leigh Allen was this Lee. The facts demonstrate that Sherwood Morrill never endorsed Graysmith's opinions and theories about the Zodiac letters and writing and that he instead held opinions which directly contradicted Graysmith's. Official documents and media interviews, as well as the expert's family, demonstrate that Morrill's opinions never changed throughout his many years on the case. In ZODIAC, Graysmith put forth the theory that Allen was the Zodiac, and, therefore, the author of the Zodiac's many handwritten messages. FACT CHECK: Graysmith has repeatedly mentioned the map of Lake Berryessa allegedly found during the research for the film ZODIAC but no one has ever confirmed its existence or discovery. FACT CHECK: The first reported use of DNA testing in the Zodiac case occurred in the late 1990s, as Graysmith himself reported in a story he wrote for the now-defunct website APBNews.com. Graysmith claims that a task force would be formed today, yet he ignores the fact that a task-force was essentially created at the time of the original investigation. # 12 - Nashville, Tenn.: Don't mean to betray my own ignornance, but if his notes said solving the cryptograms would reveal his name, has anything come up as far as a key if you try to solve backwards using known suspects' names? Yes you are right, the logical seemed to have been overlooked because so many of the 2500 suspects had been cleared by handwiting. According to either method, a size seven glove is small or extra small. Robert Graysmith: Zodiac as a film had to be of its time. It said Zodaic on label, but Bawart told me that it only showed Allen mooning the police. Published on December 7, 1999, the story was titled, THE DAY POLICE THOUGHT THEY NAILED THE ZODIAC. In ZODIAC, Graysmith used the pseudonym "Starr" when referring to Allen and wrote: "Starr's father died just before the Riverside murder (1966). Who doesn't love Jake Gyllenhaal. You certainly became all consumed by this case. If Toschi had determined, in 1969, that the gloves belonged to a woman passenger, as Graysmith wrote, he would have no reason to believe that the gloves belonged to the killer when searching Allen's trailer in 1971. Graysmith has mentioned the "typewritten guest list" of the party for many years but no one has ever produced this alleged document and no one in law enforcement has ever confirmed its existence. I received letters from health care workers who had crossed his path briefly and heard he was having a tough time. If Morrill actually believed that Graysmith's projector theory was true, he would not continue to exclude or include suspects based on their handwriting. In short, Mageau's description did not match Allen and his identification of Allen, despite these descrepencies, led many to question the accuracy of his identification. We know Zodiac was 6 feet tall, weighed about 230 and was balding from descriptions and physical evidence. Recall the neatness of the 312 word cipher. According to Mageau, the shooter approached the car carrying a bright light and Mageau was then shot in the jaw and other areas of his body. The size of the gloves indicates that the killer left the gloves behind to mislead investigators or that the gloves belonged to someone other than the killer and are not related to the crime. At the time that Toschi and Armstrong made these statements, both men were aware of virtually all of the evidence said to implicate Allen in the Zodiac crimes. Graysmith's description matches his suspect, Arthur Leigh Allen, and not the man seen by witnesses in the Zodiac case. A young man named Leigh (who I did find down south) who knew Darlene and saw her with an older man. Size seven, same as we found in the cab. Someday I will offer these books, all on different subjects, for publication but the sheer joy of doing them make these the best days of my life. Graysmith claimed that Allen asked friends to lick and seal his stamps and envelopes, stating that Allen would sometimes mail unsealed letters inside envelopes that he had sent to these friends. When you are in the grip of it you don't know. 219). Darlene's sisters Pam and Linda first mentioned the party which allegedly took place in Darlene's home in May 1969, the man in the suit, and the rest of this dubious tale when interviewed by police in 1977. (pg. Size seven, same as we found in the cab. FACT CHECK: The Zodiac had sewn a crossed-circle symbol onto the chest of his costume; this would be virtually impossible to do on a bomb disposal "costume" which is made to withstand explosive impact. FACT CHECK: The man seen by several witnesses at Lake Berryessa was described as having a full head of dark brown hair. Respectfully, Paul Avery, Investigative Reporter, The San Francisco Chronicle." Did suspects Arthur Leigh Allen and Rick Marshall know each other? He looks nothing like Zodiac but I have never been able to shake the feeling that he knows more than he realizes. The witnesses at the Stine scene never identified Allen. Zodiac needed a T-square, lighttable, triangle and other drafting tools to draw that. Yes you are right, the logical seemed to have been overlooked because so many of the 2500 suspects had been cleared by handwiting. Graysmith claimed that "the book was not widely available then so that was not why they became copycats." The Zodiac killing costume consisted of old-fashioned Navy clothes, pants with pleats. Page 90 of ZODIAC features a curious passage in which Graysmith described the evidence discovered in a cab where the Zodiac had shot and killed the driver. This description was subsequently adjusted for the SFPD composite sketch which published this description: WMA 35-45 years old, 5'8" Reddish brown hair, Crewcut, Heavy Rim Glasses, Navy blue or black jacket. It seems most plausible that Arthur Leigh Allen is the Zodiac, so going off that theory... Arthur Leigh Allen expressed his love for the book 'The Most Dangerous Game' so if a viewing of this film was to be shown in a theatre near Allen then there is every possibility that he would have gone to see it. Every letter was handled by a photoengraver and made into a velox. Robert Graysmith: That is a terrific question and the first most people ask about the case. A report prepared and distributed by the California Department of Justice stated that the gloves found in the cab were men's gloves, size seven. Graysmith has mentioned the "typewritten guest list" of the party for many years but no one has ever produced this alleged document and no one in law enforcement has ever confirmed its existence. Click here for more info on Zodiac suspects. He got it just right. In fact, Avery did not require the use of oxygen until the late 1990s. This description was subsequently adjusted for the SFPD composite sketch which published this description: WMA 35-45 years old, 5'8" Reddish brown hair, Crewcut, Heavy Rim Glasses, Navy blue or black jacket. Check out Zodiac for the verbatim accounts. Det. That book ends in 1983. I worked with Sherwood Morrill and found him to be diligent. Graysmith's description matches his suspect, Arthur Leigh Allen, and not the man seen by witnesses in the Zodiac case. It was as a perfect a cast as one could want. Toschi himself investigated Allen from 1971-1972 but then abandoned Allen in search of better suspects, going so far as to refer to other individuals as "excellent suspects" in the years that followed. Published on December 7, 1999, the story was titled, THE DAY POLICE THOUGHT THEY NAILED THE ZODIAC. After ten years of trying to find Zodiac I walked into that store and saw him face to face. Not as a stab at Mr. Fincher, of course, who did a fabulous job, merely something there wasn't room for. The two men reportedly hunted and drank together, but, sometime in 1967 or 1968, Don Cheney complained to Ron Allen that Leigh … Graysmith has alluded to "records" kept by officials which named those at the lake that day although no such records were ever kept and did not exist. Manson prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi and other law enforcement officials have dismissed this theory. Allen first came to the attention of the San Francisco Police Department in the summer of 1971. It wouldn't make a difference, but they again needed to add something to spice it up. Here is an example of the manner in which Graysmith "changed" the facts in ZODIAC. "Hey, hey," says Toschi, "black gloves. In ZODIAC, Graysmith used the pseudonym "Starr" when referring to Allen and wrote: "Starr's father died just before the Riverside murder (1966). Give it a try. According to Graysmith, the initial tests had produced DNA which matched his suspect Arthur Leigh Allen; however, a second test did not match Allen. "The trailer search continues as the inspectors find two windbreakers. Graysmith claims in one quick sentence, "Sherwood Morrill confirmed my theory." The same individual was responsible for calls to Belli's home, yet Graysmith has also attempted to deceive the public by claiming that these calls were made by the Zodiac, and, by proxy, his suspect. It was if someone had struck a tuning fork, the room just vibrated and time stood still. Page 90 of ZODIAC features a curious passage in which Graysmith described the evidence discovered in a cab where the Zodiac had shot and killed the driver. When confonted, Graysmith claimed that he had received this false information from an unnamed police source, although Graysmith's history of inventing false evidence to implicate Allen strongly indicated that the police source never existed and that Graysmith himself was responsible for the false story of Allen's speeding ticket. Witnesses at the Stine scene, including police officer Donald Fouke, provided this description: "White Male Adult, in his early forties, 5'8", heavy build, reddish-blond 'crew cut' hair, wearing eyeglasses, dark brown trousers, dark (navy blue or black) 'Parka' jacket, dark shoes." 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